Comments have been great. Talk about whatever you want (at least marginally on topic).
KaD had a great comment the other day. WHY does Fido get to make life and death decisions over us? Why does HE get to decide when we get up in the morning??
You don't like getting bit? You don't want to listen to barking 24x7? Say 100 HEIL MICKLERS and all will be well!
HEIL MICKLER!
I think the little dog who isn't supposed to live in the building might be the barker I'm hearing when I get off work. I can't say for sure yet, but next week, I've requested 3 days off to spend with my 7 year old. I'm going to investigate then. If it is that dog, I'm giving the bitch neighbor and her boyfriend one warning. Cute or not, I'm NOT putting up with it. I will tell the landlord and whatever happens, happens. I can promise you, nobody hears, or smells our little rodents, unless you come in while they're playing, then you'll hear a few squeaks. You might smell them if you're very sensitive, or we go an extra day between cage cleanings. Still probably not as rats are easy to litter train and I scoop their boxes daily. Anyway, I can tell the dog barking is small, and I plan to inform the owner if it's the neighbor behind me, if not I'm calling the police about the noise. I live in an apartment that is supposed to be dog and cat free, so why should I put up with a yapping dog?
ReplyDeleteIf there is a banned animal in your complex, you should just go straight to the complex manager - "outing" yourself to the dog owner may expose you to retaliation and probably won't improve anything, anyway.
DeleteDogs don't belong in apartments. Period.
DeleteWhy put up with a dog or cat that isn't supposed to be there even if it never barks. If one person has a dog and gets by with it you can be sure someone else is making plans to get one and sneak it in That's how it starts. The next one might be a real barker. And it might take considerable time to get rid of the dog or the tenants. Take a picture and send it to the landlord.
ReplyDeleteBTW I love rats. But with house cats its a bit of conflict.
The dog was supposed to be only for a few weeks, then a month. I know that the neighbors who share the porch don't want any pets at all, and the single man in the back is the best neighbor ever. I don't think he'd be interested in dogs or cats himself. I will share her facebook pics with the landlord as proof. She's mad at me because I won't let her use me as a free babysitter for her daughter. I have things to do with my son and I'm not willing to bring along a child who doesn't listen, plus my time is worth money, but she doesn't agree with me.
ReplyDeleteI love cats, but the landlord said caged pets only and since I'd had rats before, I knew they would be a good choice with a 7 year old. Another bonus is, they don't tear the place up and won't cause problems with my damage deposit. They only come out when we let them out. I think they're an ideal mix between cats and dogs in an odd way. As sweet and loving as a good dog can be, and as smart as cats and easily trained. They love table scraps as treats which offsets the food waste we used to have at times. I get free newspaper to line the cages. We recycle toilet paper and paper towel rolls and Kleenex boxes as toys and nesting boxes for them. All in all, not a bad or very expensive pet. I don't think I'll ever have another dog, I prefer the rats. Why take the chance my pet would annoy someone? I'd really rather be a good neighbor who happens to enjoy the companionship of animals.
check this out, LOL I ultimately trolled Mickey's facebook! https://www.facebook.com/347212218821445/photos/a.347213112154689.1073741827.347212218821445/362012030674797/?type=1&theater
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/savemickeythegator
Deleteshared at https://www.facebook.com/pages/If-You-Watch-Mickey-On-Webcam-You-Seriously-Need-To-Get-a-Life/347212218821445
ReplyDeleteDog owners are lonely people: http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/2009/wade/qtr1/0119.htm
ReplyDeleteGlad to know that this piece is still up. It confirms what I have long suspected about dog owners.
DeleteI've never liked this article. Some of us do dearly love and enjoy our companion animals, and that makes the proliferation of fighting breeds that much more distressing. In addition, it puts down older people who may have limited mobility and no surviving family, who may derive mutual joy from a cat or small dog. Fighting breeds have deprived many elderly people of their beloved small pets and have created so much pain for them.
DeleteSomeone with limited mobility isn't going to be very good at taking care of a dog since they can hardly walk themselves. And 1 in 3 people over age 65 who break a hip NEVER return home. All it takes is one good tug on the leash for that to happen.
DeleteI believe the point of the book is to point out the potential negatives associated with pet ownership. This perspective is desperately needed.
DeleteI have not read the book, but I believe the central thesis is that owning a pet generally, or dog specifically, will consume resources that might be better used to improve a person's quality of life in other areas. Animal shelters, breeders, and other "pet pimps" are not doing that.
Pets consume:
- Time.
- Money.
- Labor.
Moreover, you are responsible for your pet's behavior and he can get you fined, sued, or thrown in jail. If your pet becomes a nuisance, you will be universally hated by all of your neighbors.
While I respect the fact that dogs bring contentment to many people, realize that they also make the lives of others a living hell.
This is where licensure of pet OWNERSHIP would come in handy - prospective pet owners would have to take a class and pass a test on their obligations and responsibilities. However, the usual cast of raging foamers are going to make sure THAT never happens.
Well, this is going to make me popular!
DeleteI have read Carol Wade's book Is Pet Ownership Destroying The Lives Of Americans?. It specifically focuses on the dog culture getting so out of control. While the book's concept is appreciated, it is badly written. The writing, structure, and arguments could be much better and I believe the book consistently employs the fear-mongering, shaming, cherry-picked microscopic scrutiny, and emotional appeals so often directed at us by extreme dog lovers. It is, to me, an example of how NOT to educate.
In the meantime, a copy of the book is tucked away in one of the many boxes in my apartment, hidden in plain sight out of sheer paranoia that a family member will find it and ask me Cardinal, WHAT exactly have you BEEN READING?
If you are caught with the book, give 10 "MICK HEILS" and you *might* stay out of the gas chamber.
DeleteInterestingly, 3 years ago I was encouraged to write a book as the book in question was considered to be so poorly written.
"Well, this is going to make me popular!"
DeleteYou are always popular on here.
"You are always popular on here."
DeleteI wouldn't have predicted that.
"I wouldn't have predicted that."
DeleteThis is not the Save Mickey page.
Thank God!
DeleteAnother pit bull attack around here.
ReplyDeleteThe pit bull jumped a wooden privacy fence and attacked a Chihuahua. The Chihuahua's owner's boyfriend tried to intervene and was injured so badly he was rushed to the hospital to have surgery on his shoulder.
Turns out this isn't the first time this pit bull has jumped the fence to attack. Big surprise! The news wouldn't go into detail, but the owner is giving the dog up and it looks like it will be put down after the 10 day quarantine. I imagine a campaign to save the poor, misunderstood, victim of the media is already under way.
Most neighborhoods have covenants about fencing. Many limit the height of a fence in the back yard to 6 feet and the height in the front yard to 4 feet. Neither is a barrier to a pit.
ReplyDeleteHere a fence can't be more tall than six feet. Nor can they be electrified, no barbed wire. I think you can choose to put concrete on the inside as a barrier, but that only stops digging. That's not much protection from a pit. The monster was out and barking today, what a surprise. My son wanted to go out and play, and in this hell we live in, we parents took turns watching out for the kids to make sure JR didn't get to them. My son is 7, his good friends around here are 9. They should be old enough to play out back unsupervised, but the monster next door makes it impossible. I hate the owners more than the dog. They really did make it that way, because they think big mean dogs are good to have. They've also had snakes and have carnivore fish as pets. Typical nutter scum.
ReplyDeleteIt occurred to me that Nate and Buddy have been living in the back for six months. It might not have been Buddy barking but it is time for the dog who isn't supposed to be here to go. I'm going to call the landlord and let him know. I don't like people who think the rules don't apply to them.
Normal terriers dig under fences. Pit bulls jump, or crash straight through.
DeleteYour neighbors sound like the kind who keep riskier snakes not because they really care for snakes and understand how to own them, but because they're trying to be cool. A couple years ago at a bookstore, I ran into a couple with a snake AND a wolf-hybrid decked to the top in spikes and studs. The owners were totally trying to have that Goth thing going on. The employees didn't heed my concern, and one woman actually left without buying anything. I ended up writing the chain an email detailing the incident and why I thought it was a bad idea to allow animals except (real) service dogs. Their website said they replied within 3 days. After 10 days I was still left in total silence, so I wrote another email saying I wouldn't buy from them anymore if they didn't have a reply. THAT got their attention, but they still allow pets.
Dogs in bookstores - That sort of thing is one aspect of the dog culture I truly despise. They believe that dogs have an unconditional right to be "publicly accommodated" a-la the 14th amendment: A dog has an unconditional right to go anywhere a human can go, and the rest of us have no right to freedom of association when it comes to dogs.
DeleteBaloney. Dogs should be summarily banned everywhere food is sold or served. I would extend this to hardware stores, auto dealers and the like that serve free coffee. Non-food service establishments MAY allow dogs IF THEY CHOOSE. Business owners and the like have NO obligation to accommodate a DOG. DOGS ARE NOT PEOPLE.
Dogs belong at their HOME. Nowhere else unless they are a REAL service dog. Keeping your dog at home also prevents your dog from being harmed and killed-typically by other people's dogs.
DeleteEstablishments with "NO PETS" signs are the ones that will get my business.
DeletePlaying children = teasing the pit to nutters. Childre need to learn how to sit quietly outside with their hands folded so that pits don't feel threatened and need to attack in self defense. Worse if the dogs do have to defend themselves from your horrible running screaming children you will be a bad parent who didn't teach their children how to behave around dogs. While you're putting a child in the ground the pitters will be out raising funds to pay a lawyer to save the walking meat grinder.
ReplyDeleteA call to AC or your nearest shelter might give you some idea of what your rights are per a dog that is showing signs of aggression even if it's behind a fence. One of the things I see over and over as I plow though this mess are parents who think being close by will equal being able to stop an attack. Even if you are really fast one grab and shake on your childs body could equal life long medical issues. Even more out of whack the dog may face a 10 day hold and be given back to the owners. After all Snukkems has never so much as growled at anyone before. But don't worry your irresponsible neighbors are now on notice. You might think that if it was their children , phhhfffftttt. FB and the mommy forums are loaded with parents who can't bear to part with old Beartrap even though it's tried to savage their own baby. bit the baby or asking how to treat a bite a home so that the dog doesn't get taken away. After all that would be unbearable.
So please turn in your neighbor with the dog that isn't supposed to be there. And have a chat with AC about your rights even though the pit hasn't yet made it's way over the fence.
I've got some peace and quiet. Most likely I'm going to have to fight to keep it. There is a mentality that calling AC on your neighblrs is just nasty. Yet somehow letting your dog bark for hours or run loose is OK
The current state of AC is being run by the inmates.
Indeed. They demand that everyone else (and their pets) must be absolutely perfect else they bring a well deserved Wrath of Dog upon them. In their minds, Fido is absolutely perfect, therefore he has a right to demand perfection from everyone and everything else.
DeleteOur town doesn't have animal control. The police deal with complaints. We keep watch while wielding various weapons. That's beyond sad really. I lived in a very poor part of Indy as a kid and our parents could let us run and play without fear. Now I live in a small average town in Indiana and can't let my son play without keeping a vigil. I don't know where or why things went so wrong but they need to change.
ReplyDeleteRe: dogs in stores. There's a wheelchair bound woman with a legit service dig. When seeing her , she's happy to give her dog the command to relax and let kids meet him. I see some trainers teaching dogs at Tractor Supply as future service dogs. I don't mind the ones with honest jobs to do. The only time a dog should be allowed inside a place that sells food is when the owner is clearly disabled and the animal is doing a job. I don't bring my rats shopping, why can't other people leave their dogs at home?
As for snakes, it seems many pit nutters own them. I think they just enjoy seeing other living things suffer for their amusement. They don't see anything wrong with Fido eating people or smaller animals, so why not throw a small mammal in a cage and watch a snake kill and eat it?
My son will be at the boys and girls club for the summer, I might have to take advantage of a scholarship for summer camp, but at least he'll be safe from the monster next door. On weekends we'll live at the park and library. Can't let him play around here, not if I want to keep him alive.
You're a fellow Hoosier. Grew up in Indiana. I can't recall being afraid of dogs or even loose dogs. There were a few mutts that tagged along. You could have punched their ears in, stepped on a foot or even taken their bone away without fear of repercussions. They did not feel the need to kill children on bikes, skates or boards. Screaming , yelling and running brought little response. Meeting another dog did not send one of us running home to get daddy's break stick. Dogs that even hinted there might be aggression issues went to live on the mythical farm.
ReplyDeleteI lived in a rural farming area as well. Dogs followed their kids to whoever's house while we all played. No one was bit, no one was chased, nothing more ever happened than the dogs making a mess in the yards. We were kids, so picking it up wasn't likely to happen, but our parents would do poop patrols and clean the yards up. My parents were fans of small dogs, The little dogs never had to fear being eaten by the neighbor dogs. It was quite funny to see chi mixes playing with lab (actual lab, not like today's) mixes. The St, Bernard had no young kids at home, he seriously would come when called and loved letting the little ones ride on his back. It all seemed perfectly normal and right back then. If a dog barked, they were warning the farmer of trouble with the livestock, not making pointless noise. The few dogs who attacked livestock were taken care of either by the farmer, or the owner. Nobody had to watch us to make sure we weren't attacked. How sad that things have changed so much, and I can't let my little boy be free to play with his friends around here. I won't get close to the dilapidated fence where JR lives, until he barks, you never know if he's out.
DeleteRe animal rights and animals being equal to humans. I believe animals should be treated fairly. That's why I believe Mickey should have been put down. It's unfair to the taxpayers and the dog for him to serve what amounts to a life sentence. Putting him down would have been just, humane, and right. I have a problem with the way fighting dogs are treated, so I'd rather see them go extinct. I don't eat very much meat because it's expensive to seek out locally raised, humanely slaughtered meat. I don't wish to support factory farming. Since I have a 7 year old, I am guilty of the occasional fast food burger, but not very often. At work, I eat meat free appetizers or salads. If that makes me an animal rights whacko, then ok. I think it just makes me a person who's conscience of what's going on. I know my animals aren't human, and I don't dress them up, or any of that stupid stuff. Because they're scavengers they do get some table scraps. Because they're one of the more intelligent species, they get toys to play with. Keeping them from being bored isn't bad or crazy, it is good for them. I don't buy the overpriced pet toys, I hit thrift stores and dollar stores for their toys.
Trisha Gilpin I have said many times I feel sorry for the caged childhood that is normal today.
DeleteToday I got thrown off a Facebook anti animal rights page because I don't worship at the altar of DOG Almighty. They did a skiff about pets and the elderly (and let's face it that means DOG) and I linked to a counterpoint article about why that is a bad idea. Cowards!
ReplyDeleteKnock knock knock. good morning I am here to deliver your state mandated therapy dog. Ma'am please open the door or I'll be forced to call the authorities your 65th birthday was yesterday and the law requires you have this dog. Your part B medicare only pays for 80% of the dog. Would you like to pay with cash , check or credit today. Please open the door or I will be forced to call the police. You need this dog to make your life complete and happy.
DeleteAnd of course it will be a pit bull.
MICK HEIL!
DeleteI'm a pro-animal rights person, and I've found that anti-AR people are just as maniacal about pit bulls as fur mommies. In fact, the first pit nutter I ever encountered was an animal industry PR woman who defended "dogmen" and harped loud and long about her "right" to own whatever breed of dog she wished.
ReplyDeleteAnimal rights is a very slippery slope. First of all, it means different things to different people.
DeleteMany "rightists" are really "welfarists": Ideologically, I have some overlap with those people - if you argue that captive animals (pets, livestock, zoo animals) have a "right" to a minimum standard of care, I would tend to agree with you (to a point).
However, if you argue that animals have the same rights as humans, and are indeed "people", then the crazy train has just gone off the rails. The "Mickey" trainwreck is a direct result of this sort of nuttery. PETS ARE NOT CHILDREN OR PEOPLE.
. PETS ARE NOT CHILDREN OR PEOPLE.- Pets don't want to be people or children.
Delete"Pets don't want to be people or children"
DeleteWhile I cannot get into their heads, I would estimate that you are right: Would a dog or cat really WANT to be treated like a human child? Would that be in their best interest? Does Fido or Felix really want the pressure to exceed in school and sports, to be a good speller, to clean their room, to learn good grammar, etc...? Do they want to carry on the family name and the family business? To grow up to be a functioning, productive member of society? To pay taxes and raise a "family" of their own?
Indeed, the deeper you get into it, the more ridiculous it gets.
Fantastic post about "discrimination" being invalid when discussing dog breeds:
ReplyDeletehttp://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2015/04/canine-discrimination-by-richard-prince.html
And on top of that, a published book that finally gives victims a say:
Deletehttp://blog.dogsbite.org/2015/04/book-review-misunderstood-nanny-dogs.html
I'm waiting on a Kindle edition.
Here's another: http://17barks.blogspot.com/2013/08/breedism-what-is-breed.html
DeleteKa D, The only arguments pit bull owners can mount are based on debunked myths, emotion, personal attacks and when all else fails the threat of violence to anyone who might hurt their dog. Usually when the dog is in the process of disemboweling a pet or attacking a child.
DeleteMention DogBite.org and you can expect a FB flash mob to spend the day trailing you and hurling insults and threats. Yes you are now a dog abuser most likely a pedophile and a KKK flag waving racist. All of that will be ascertained by a short comment that perhaps they should be more concerned with the victim of the pit mauling than saving a dog that just savaged a baby.
I get the occasional email from a pitter. They start out with all the known blow about the wonders of owning a portable meat grinder going in the proven formula explaining how you are just ignorant and ending with a vague threat or death wish to end your miserable non-dog loving life.
The all time favorite was the tool that wrote a diatribe about their own pits and their gentle loving nature ended by a wish that me and my family be raped by a pack of pit bulls.
One last thing since ole Mick the Mauler is on this header. What kind of dog rescue has as it's unofficial mascot a dog that maimed a child for life. Or even allows the lie about how it happened to stand on the top of their page. Just what kind of mess are they running there and what kind of dogs are being put out in public ?
"What kind of dog rescue has as it's unofficial mascot a dog that maimed a child for life."
DeleteWhat dog rescue is that?
Next, we will see Mick the Mauler approved home appliances, furniture, and children's toys. Is there a Mickey plush toy I can buy?
Shreff Joe's MASH unit for dogs. Where Mik the Mauler lives.
DeleteIf there is a Mickey Plush I hope it's shooting range approved.
Mick is the poster boy for MASH. That takes some humungous brass balls.
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ReplyDeleteHere he is kissing on him
He offered to take the dog in, They post MASH news on Save Mickey FB page. The camera so all the ladies can dream about makng Mickey their boyfriend is in the MASH unit. Inmates in his jail take care of his pee and crap. Sheriff Joe has allowed this circus to go on when the dog should simply be in a kennel getting the same treatment all the other dogs get. ( really he should be decomposed by now)
I don't find references to Mik on the offical MASH unit page. Still if it walks like a duck.
So the dog who attacks a 4 year old becomes a hero? I didn't think heroes often left victims behind. I can't imagine how Kevin's family feels about all of this. I still don't see it as a good life for Mickey either. He should have been put to sleep, and nothing will ever change my mind about that. Dogs are not humans, they can't be held to the same standards for better or worse. That includes not giving a dog acting on instinct a life sentence, The dog, because it is an animal gets to go to that proverbial farm instead.
ReplyDeleteTrisha. according to the pit apologists Mickey was a victim too. Mic the Mauler had no conception of doing anything right or wrong let alone the ability to understand why he is where he is. Like all dogs he is descended from an extinct scavenger branch of the wolf family.
ReplyDeleteFor me I'd probably not give a crap if the dog had been put in a kennel and never heard from again. It's not even the 70 thousand plus likes that stupid page has. It's the shelter allowing this nonsense to go on. Down with the camera, the updates and pictures. The shelter , Maricopa County and the state of AZ are guilty of feeding off the blood of an innocent child for donations to their dog pound.
Getting a petition started and sending it to the Governor Doug Ducey demanding that web camera be taken down might be a good idea. It's like putting serial killers on dispay to raise money for a prison.
Eileen, I won't fully disagree with the nutters. Mickey is a victim of years of breeding a dog to attack and fight without warning. He's not capable of forethought or afterthought. He's just a dog. As a dog, he's proven to be dangerous, deadly even, and for that, he should not be alive. He did not ask to be created, nor did he ask for, or deserve his bizarre celebrity status. That's what his group of insane advocates have done for him. Dogs are only capable of learning what we teach them, and acting on their instinct. The problem with pit bulls is when they act on their inbred instinct, people get hurt or die.
ReplyDeleteDogs have the mentality of a 2 year old. They'll just forget what you teach them unless you constantly and consistently remind them every time. This is why yelling "stop" or "shut up" to a barking kickball never works. They never learn unless it's been beaten into their heads all the time. Pit bulls were designed by criminals for criminal activities, such as being the volatile instruments for murder and disfigurement. Dogs do not understand what choice is. They lack the brain capacity to understand abstract concepts such as choice and free will, so they run off of what nature tells them to do. Pibbles mindlessly kill (so do their human advocates), and that's in their nature. Dogs mindlessly bark at nothing with zero concept of choosing when to stop and that's in their nature, no training required. If I were to own a pet, I wouldn't get something as brainless and as brutish as a dog, no matter what breed. I'm classier than that. I shouldn't have to train something to shut up or stop what it's doing by having to beat the message into their heads. If the animal is smart enough, they'll get the hint the first couple times, not the first hundred times.
DeleteThis is why I am more attracted to animals with a higher intelligence, be it domestic or wild. It's a match for me. I can't say the same for the rest of the world.
I really don't like comparing human intelligence and learning to animals. Apples and oranges and treating them like little furry people seems to cause more aggression than making sure their canine needs are met on a daily basis.
DeleteExactly. Pets are not people.
DeleteMy take on the pathology of the Mickey Debacle:
ReplyDeleteSome one tipped off the Lexus Project, that organized and orchestrated the trainwreck, at least in the beginning: They filed suit to prevent Mickey from being Euthanized, "astro-turfed" a faux grassroots movement and kicked off an associated social media campaign. Inner-Party dog nutters have a legion of proletarian useful idiots they can mobilize very quickly when it suits their needs.
Authorities essentially caved in front of this onslaught - Note that I am not making excuses for the limp-noodle judge that let Mickey off the hook, or the crazy Sheriff, either. It now appears that the MASH folks are exploiting Mickey's extreme popularity for their own ends.
The Lexus Project. Masters of the battered puppy syndrome.
DeleteIt's humans who are manipulated into falling for lies, like Kevin went after a bone and Mickey simply reacted. A good dog can be pushed to a point of biting, but they don't go for the kill. I knew a teenager who was teasing a nursing mother by pulling her food away. After he did it so many times, she went for his arm, instead of the bowl. He was the one who got in trouble for provoking her. I do understand the owners choosing to keep the dog, and disciplining the teen, in a case like that. The rare dog who goes after someone invading the home, I can understand the owner keeping. Normal dogs don't bite without reason, pit bulls do, because they were bred to do it.
ReplyDeleteRealistic people who don't want their family members, or pets mauled need an advocacy group like the gay rights people. RFRA here was passed and quickly changed, because people didn't like how vague the wording was. Imagine if the victims of attacks, or potential attacks could organize like that, and even get businesses behind them (us). Of course, we would be the evil intolerant ones, simply because we want to live normal lives.
After seeing what happened to Kevin, anyone who wants to "save Mickey" is nuts to the extreme. If it had been a tiny injury AND there really had been a bone, then maybe I could see letting him live. But, that attack was SAVAGE... just horribly savage.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many more deserving people or animals or even dogs could have been helped with the money thrown away on Mickey. Or, just Kevin, whose medical bills are insanely high on account of being mauled within an inch of his life.
The only way I can deal with Mickey not being pts is that he is just a very stupid and mean dog who has no idea he got away with something. And the fact he wasn't taken by some idiot who would try to find him a nice forever home with maybe a toddler and a cat already in residence.
Anon, Mickey really was just doing what he was bred to do, attack and not stop with no warning. He's not a particularly bad pit, in the scheme of things, he's pretty typical. How many attacks aren't reported? How many pets are killed, or feral cats, that don't make the news? The police might take a report if you come home and find your pet dead, but without some type of proof, there's nothing more they can do. Was it the pit bull next door, or the one on the next block? Without a witness, that's an impossible guess.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who needs a good laugh today should check out the MIckey FB page. A picture of his Easter basket is on display. Appears they are giving him sex toys this year. Good boy good boy Does our Mickey wiggle butt want a dildo.
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