MOAR stopping power

Great Video on the effectiveness of the .357 magnum handgun cartridge:  125 grain semi-jacketed hollowpoints to be precise.  Note that "grain" indicates the weight of the projectile.  A grain is about 64.8 milligrams, so 125 grain projectile weighs about 8.1 grams, or about  1/3 of an ounce.

Here is a glossary of bullet type abbreviations (i.e. FMJ, JHP, etc...)

Note video looks good on full screen.

Stopping Power

There was an article on Craven Desires the other day involving the use of a firearm to stop a dog attack. The attack in question could be an attack on yourself, another person, or another animal. I concur that a “proper” use of such a device in the scenarios indicated may stop the attack. While not a perfect solution, certainly, it definitel gives the victim an advantage.

Lethality VS. Stopping Power.

When you attend self defense training classes (totally recommended), they instruct you that you use your weapon to STOP, or neutralize a threat to your safety. You are not necessarily trying to kill your attacker. The attack ends when the attacker STOPS attacking you (or someone or something else), not necessarily with the attacker dying. So, while killing something will definitely stop it from attacking you, you don't need to kill your attacker dead in its tracks to stop the attack. Therefore, incapacitation of the attacker stops the attack.

You want to select a weapon and associated ammunition type with optimum “stopping power”. “Stopping Power” being a standard euphemism indicating a weapon/ammunition's effectiveness in incapacitating an attacker.

Wiki article on “stopping power”.

Firearms are not created equally. Firearm ammunition is not created equally. Some have more stopping power than others, some have a higher degree of lethality than others. Again, stopping power and lethality are not necessarily the same thing. If you shoot your attacker, they proceed to murder you, and they die in the hospital 2 days after murdering you as a result of the gunshot, you did not stop the attack. Yes, you killed him but you failed in stopping the attack against yourself.

Here is a link to an FBI preliminary analysis of handgun effectiveness. It notes that a human being can pursue an attack for up to 15 seconds after the heart has been destroyed. However, note that many lethal pit bull attacks drag on for several minutes, so shooting your canine attacker in the heart would certainly increase your chance of survival, and reduce attendant injury. Again, not necessarily a perfect solution, but a LOT better than nothing.

Note that an attacker can be incapacitated immediately by a shot to the brain or central nervous system. The pain of the gunshot wound to any part of the body may also incapacitate them immediately.

I did some casual research on firearm effectiveness in incapacitating canine attackers. There has not been much (or any) formal research done on this issue. So, I perused YouTube for dog attack related shootings caught on video. I focused on videos because I don't necessarily trust police reports or witness testimony: In other words, I want to SEE what happened and decide for myself. This is by no means a statistically relevant list, but it may give us an idea of what to expect if a similar scenario plays out against you.

Main selection criteria:

1. Dog has to be in the act of attacking, charging, or otherwise behaving dangerously towards the shooter, another person or another animal.
2. The attack and subsequent shooting incident could actually be seen on the video.

Cop shoots attacking pit bull in Nampa. Handgun. 3 shots fired. Threat neutralized.

Cop shoots charging pit bull in New Orleans. Handgun. 2 shots fired. Target does not drop immediately. Threat neutralized.

Cop shoots pit bull attacking another animal. Handgun. One shot fired. Threat neutralized.

Cops shoot (at?) attacking pit bull in Russia. Handguns. 8 shots fired. Only one hit was obvious. Dog was able to run and elude them.

Cops shoot, kill, attacking pit bull in Russia. Handguns(?). 6 shots fired - # hits not obvious. Threat neutralized.

Cop shoots charging pit bull in New York City. Handgun. 1 shot fired. Threat neutralized.

Cop shoots attacking pit bull, unknown location. Shotgun. 1 shot fired. Threat neutralized.

Cop shoots attacking Rottweiler. Handgun. 4 shots fired. Threat neutralized. Skip to 3:10 on the vid.

Cop shoots charging dog in Sandusky. Handgun. 1 shot fired. Threat neutralized.

Cops shoot pit bull attacking another dog, location unknown. Handguns. 3 shots fired, though first 2 neutralized the threat (will count this as 2).

10 random incidents. 9 threats neutralized. Again, we are contemplating “stopping power”/incapacitation, NOT (immediate) deaths.

Averaging out the # of shots, you get 3.2 shots fired per incident. However, the 2 Russian incidents involved shooting at a dog that was running away: Something that is running away does not present an immediate threat to the safety of the shooter or the victim, so if we discount those we get 1.875 shots fired per incident.

Also noteworthy was the single shotgun incident – it literally dropped the dog like a bag of dirt.

Essentially, 3 things indicate a weapon's stopping power.

1. Weapon type / caliber.
2. Ammunition type.
3. Shot placement.

(2) is of capital importance due to the fact that a 125 grain magnum hollowpoint fired from a .357 magnum will be a LOT more effective (due to a greater wound channel) than a full metal jacket .38 special fired from the exact same gun. Now, the .38 round might stop the attack, but is less likely to do so.

(3) is of capital importance due to the fact that, it doesn't matter what you are shooting if you miss, or only score a grazing hit. A head shot is ideal, but often impractical. Center of bodymass (chest cavity) hits are usually the best bet. A well placed round of .22 is a LOT more effective than a poorly placed round (or 10) of .357 magnum.

There may be a gun video in my near future.  Stay tuned.

To my detractors...

Some folks have been telling me I have no idea what I am talking about, RE:  Shooting....



You might want to check this out.

Sit back and take a long, hard, look ->  Note the "tongue" sticking out to your left, that would be MY tongue sticking out at YOU.

So, big F'ing raspberries to you, self proclaimed genius', brain surgeons, and rocket scientists.

 

And, yes, buttercups that IS my target.  This was about 9-10 feet from my position.

Best shooter ever.

Important to note this post is not a threat and should not be interpreted that way, I strictly aim sheer contempt at morons.  You physically attack me?  Well, then, that is another matter. 

Any questions?

Trainwreck Ed. 1.5 - Epilogue?

The latest on our pal “Mickey”.

Mickey has been “spared”, though he will be de-nutted, chipped and have his teeth ground down. SO, being mauled by Mickey will now be more a factor of crushing force as opposed to deep, tearing wounds. Lucky us!

I am confident that the judge spared Mickey due to social pressure, and possibly death threats from the pit nut jobbers.

One thing I found frustrating (but oh so predictable) about this train wreck was the narrative from BOTH sides. Many of those who supported Mickey's euthanasia were speaking from a point of view indicating that Mickey IS a person. This is an intellectual trap that many fall into, and I admit that even I do it from time to time.

BS: Mickey is NOT a person. Mickey is NOT comparable to a human perp. Mickey has NO rights. Mickey is property of the government and they should be able to do whatever they want with him. Mickey's human owner surrendered him to the county after the attack and that should have been the end of it.

There is NO countervailing benefit to sparing Mickey or ANY animal that mauls and kills. They have no rights, they do not contribute to society in any meaningful way, and they present nothing but risk. They are a PURE liability. They offer NOTHING but problems.

Consider the foul nonsense emanating from the “Save Mickey” facebook page! Now, they are trying to save a FIVE TIME biter named “Rambo”. Yes, lets keep the biting going people, for THAT is the ethical thing to do! Fortunately, Rambo is a Rottweiler and the Rott people are a bit more responsible than the pit nutters – they know that every mauling and killing adds to a statistic that the BSL folks will use to take their dogs away: Hey Mickey fans - preventing maulings is not just ethical, its good politics, too!

Now that the dust has settled on the Kevin/Mickey fiasco, what of Mickey's original owner? Any charges brought against him? Anyone calling for HIS head? Over a month into this thing and NOTHING on this front. I guess surrendering the dog was good enough for law enforcement. Hey, commit arson and turn in your matches... no foul!  Hey, I thought these things were all about they owner?  Well, they ARE until something happens... THEN its all the victim's fault!

Pets that maul and kill should be summarily destroyed REGARDLESS of breed or species. Owners of pets that maul and kill belong in prison, and not some weekend BS, either... I want HARD TIME.

Results are in...

Lets have a moment of silence for 4 year old Mia Derouen, killed by a “XXL” pitbull housed at her home. Dogsbite at Decateur AL has the details.

Noteworthy – Police had to shoot the 4 legged perp THIRTEEN TIMES to stop its rampage. A single mauling, bloodthirsty rampaging beast!

There is no modicum of safety with these monsters among us. Our legal system, including law enforcement, is NOT equipped to deal with this emerging disaster. Our pedestrian self defense laws cannot protect us. The 2^nd amendment provides very thin protection. Your typical CC weapon can't stop one of these super maulers!

And that is what they are... Extra, Extra Large Super Maulers!  We are living in the first couple of chapters of some cheezy sci-fi horror novel.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand.

Poll results are in....

Winner by a BIG margin →

A WWII vet practices with his combat weapon!

Just think... this could be you!

All that is left to ask... who brings the BBQ sauce and honey baked beans??

I was a little disappointed that TANK came in last. However, understandable given current high fuel prices.

Honorable mention -

M134 Minigun. At 3000 rounds per minute, this awesome device will drop that super mauler in 0.26 seconds!  And, speaking of Science Fiction....

Think out of the box, people!

Trainwreck Ed. 1.4 Save MICKEEE!

Tomorrow is the BIG day! A judge in Maricopia County, AZ decides the fate of MICKEY, a pit bull that ripped the face off of four year old Kevin Vicente on February 20^th.

The Save Mickey facebook page now has over 60,000 likes! The pit nuts, unrestrained dog lovers and A.R. Extremists have pulled out ALL the stops to “Save Mickey”. They have poured out of the woodwork in the tens of thousands to mercilessly stamp out any and all opposition to their cause... that being, SAVE THIS MAULER AT ALL COSTS! After all, he was just a dog enjoying his BONE, right? That makes EVERYTHING he does just perfectly acceptable, now doesn't it? He would NEVER do something like that again, would he? Well, of course he would... and then it would be 100% the fault of THAT victim. Ha!

Brace yourselves, the Mickey supporters are coming for us!  Prepare yourselves for this juggernaut of dangerous dog fetishists!   Save yourselves, run for your lives!

Note that the Kevin support page still has under 800 likes. So much for being for BOTH the child and the dog!

All of that said, I am going to reverse my opinion regarding Mickey. I now want Mickey to be spared, for now at least. How come, you say?!? Again, this is an epic, uncontrollable train wreck and there is NO good outcome, only a series of very bad outcomes and we have to pick the least bad of them all.

Here is why Mickey should be spared:

1. Pit nuts will use Mickey's euthanasia to build political capital – if Mickey is put down, pit nuts now have the “martyr” they NEED to push their agenda. Mickey must NOT become a martyr. Mickey NEEDS to live (for now). If Mickey is put down, there will be protests all over the WORLD, politicians will come out crying that Mickey should have been spared and given a good home with lots of kids that will love him, media and celebrity people will come out in droves: It will be a DISASTER.
2. The overall situation must become worse before it becomes better. Mickey should be spared and re-homed where he has access to children, other animals, the UPS guy, etc... But, won't he attack them, you say? Of COURSE he will, THAT is the point... someone (or something) has to die (or at least become injured) for the cause. The pit nuts figure they can just re-home Mickey in a pit-loving home and everything will be just fine. But, “things” WON'T be fine. Its imperative that Mickey become a further liability to THEIR cause. I say, let Mickey be THEIR political disaster.  In other words, the victims need vindication.

This is a very cynical policy, to say the least. But, what else is there? If cynicism is my only weapon, I might as well use it.

Neighborhood Pit Bull (no) Problem!

Problems with pit bulls in your neighborhood? The usual ho-hum weapons letting you down?

Welcome to the first Animal Uncontrol Poll! Lets get some feedback on the best way to get a handle on the out of control Pit Bull problem in YOUR neighborhood!

Please consider all the options carefully!  Poll is on the right sidebar.

Option 1:   Tank.  Be the envy the entire block with one of these beauties!  Try to take the wheels off of THIS Fido!

Option 2:   Flame thrower.   Not only can you stop that mauler “dead” in it's tracks, you can simultaneously cook it to crispy perfection! Bon Appetit!

Option 3:   Artillery.  Problem with backyard breeder?   Now, NO PROBLEM.  Take them out with one shot!

Option 4:  Cruise Missile.  Hey, does anyone have the GPS coordinates of Best Friends Animal Shelter???

Option 5:  Atomic Weapon.  The only practical solution in "pit holes" such as Dayton, Ohio.