tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post764182023090668423..comments2024-03-27T18:22:28.226-07:00Comments on Animal Uncontrol: Misunderstanding Your GroundAnimal Uncontrolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01353756918671252887noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-24827314879492101742012-08-24T12:55:39.883-07:002012-08-24T12:55:39.883-07:00Hello Rhea,
I am sorry for your Mom's trouble...Hello Rhea,<br /><br />I am sorry for your Mom's troubles. Tell her to stay safe and avoid "Getting Banked" (wink wink). The winds of change are on our side.Animal Uncontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01353756918671252887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-45614890750933200652012-08-22T21:06:18.791-07:002012-08-22T21:06:18.791-07:00I don't think this was meant as humor but I ke...I don't think this was meant as humor but I kept cracking up at the way you worded certain things.. I think Mr. Banks was justified. My mom is petrified, phobic nearly of large dogs, especially Pitbulls. She has been prisoner in her own home due to loose monster dogs like bull mastiffs and pitbull terrorists. Why should she be imprisoned in her own home because of someone's loose mutant dog? I think if its on my property its trespassing and trespassers, especially dogs, will be shot. ;)Rheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03864288719576867015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-49481620335867322922012-08-17T04:22:38.498-07:002012-08-17T04:22:38.498-07:00Good points, all! Thanks for commenting.
In rega...Good points, all! Thanks for commenting.<br /><br />In regards to "Stand your ground" laws and the like: These set legal boundaries when using force against *another human being*. As Dawn noted, the threshold for using force against a *dog* is usually different, and will differ by jurisdiction.<br /><br />I may send a letter to NRA and see what they think, or if they have any advice. I'd think they would take an interest in a case like this.<br /><br />Even if Banks was truly in the wrong, do the taxpayers of LA need to invest in the prosecution and incarceration of this guy? I always find it infuriating that when a dog does something TO somebody, the authorities claim lack of funds, manpower, etc.... but when someone does something TO that same dog, they have plenty of funds and manpower! HUGE double standard.<br /><br />I believe that obvious cases of animal abuse and cruelty should be prosecuted. For example, if someone shoots your dog while he is napping on your front porch, a crime has been committed.<br /><br />I believe that if a dog is attacking someone, or behaving dangerously, shooting that dog dead is a legitimate way to restore peace to the situation.<br /><br />I believe that in "borderline" cases where a dog was growling, posturing, or otherwise threatening someone off property, any action should be considered a civil matter. IOW's, if the owner feels his rights were violated, he can go ahead and sue. Most victims of malicious dog owners currently have no (legal) recourse outside of civil courts, anyway.<br /><br />Again, I'd prefer to fill up our jails with owners of dangerous dogs as opposed to "borderline" individuals like Banks.Animal Uncontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01353756918671252887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-32851043910151379752012-08-16T16:27:25.145-07:002012-08-16T16:27:25.145-07:00@dawn james, funny you should mention law schools ...@dawn james, funny you should mention law schools pumping out animal rights zealots. Here's an example from the University of Arizona in Tucson:<br /><br />http://uanews.org/node/44299<br /><br />And @Jewel Jade, if you're reading this, the University of Arizona is another institution that needs to be called out. The very idea of using the UA news bureau to promote a pit nutter group. <br /><br />They're as bad as the Pima Animal Care Center and their rescue groups page:<br /><br />http://www.pimaanimalcare.org/services/rescuegrps.asp<br /><br />Look at the group on top of the list. It's Adopt-A-Bull! Guess what type of dog that group is putting back into our community! I feel SO safe!Your Quiet Neighborhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15865179687268241220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-33096955313921521882012-08-16T15:17:44.548-07:002012-08-16T15:17:44.548-07:00exactly, had ANDREW ROZSA'S victim been able t...exactly, had ANDREW ROZSA'S victim been able to prove that the sheep killing pits had a history of aggressiveness, he would have been legally justified (in alabama) to go into his house, arm himself, return and kill the dog. what you can do in louisiana is anybody's guess.<br /><br />regarding dog vs human, i haven't researched what constitutes a justifiable killing of dogs in every state. i think a good rule of thumb would be to know your rights regarding the use of force in your state, which sometimes is written explicit to humans, sometimes it is vague but following the law in regards to humans certainly will not get you in any legal trouble if you apply it to dogs. the nutter lawyers have not succeeded in elevating the status of dogs above people - yet.<br /><br />law schools are pumping out animal rights zealots left and right. they are doing a lot of damage to our legal system. clogging it up with all kinds of nonsense. but even if this case against banks goes forward, makes it past the prosecutor and past the judge, it still has to get past a jury. and i think you're unlikely to encounter 12 people who find this man guilty. the majority of voters in miami dade said no pit bulls. animal people has found that the majority of people polled do not want to live next door to a pit bull. this is the jury of peers.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-34016050468650517962012-08-16T06:40:52.351-07:002012-08-16T06:40:52.351-07:00Johnbald1 August 14, 2012 4:11 PM: "I would l...Johnbald1 August 14, 2012 4:11 PM: "I would like to be in Mr.Banks corner but once he went back inside the threat to him was over, and you can best bet that is what the Judge and DA are going to say."<br /><br />J-baldi-1, you are giving in mentally to the pit-lobby assertion that a pit bull is a human being. But okay, let's assess the threat it represents first in human terms...<br /><br />The threat of a repeatedly roaming pit-bull type dog isn't over because you manage to get back indoors yourself un-mauled, un-dismembered and un-killed THIS TIME. Having a pit-type chronically roaming the neighborhood is like being stalked by someone who keeps pointing a Kalishnikov at you, or by Hannibal Lecter. It's worse for children than having a registered child sex offender hanging out near the school playground day after day (unless that sex offender also likes to dismember and kill children). <br /><br />This just in case the judge et al are so IMBECILIC as to consider the shooting of a threatening dog as if the dog were a human with human rights. We wouldn't allow a human to stalk and threaten like this. But a pit bull is not only not a real dog, it's also not human. So...<br /><br />I hope that even if Banks is a felon, his attorney is smart enough to point out that pit bulls don't have human rights. I hope s/he also presents other defences, such as being stalked by the constantly threatening un-dog, let down by authorities, and reacting to a constant threat that put Banks under such mental duress that it was justified to react -- even if it had been a human doing this, which it wasn't. <br /><br />My only reservation would be if Banks also keeps one or more pit bulls. In that case, he's not justified in shooting someone else's just because it wants to kill him. Sweetie Piehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048713290619160232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-45024927093120538092012-08-15T07:39:36.885-07:002012-08-15T07:39:36.885-07:00There are lots of cases of people shooting pits wi...There are lots of cases of people shooting pits with little or no consequence. It seems like people who escape the danger only to re-emerge with their guns later are much more likely to get in trouble, though there was a case in colorado springs where repeated calls for help (to animal control, iirc) were ignored and so the concerned citizen shot the dog when it became apparent that help was not going to come and the dog was probably going to hurt someone. <br /><br />As far as we know mr banks might get out of the charges too, its too early to judge. People are charged with all kinds of bullshit that just gets thrown out in court. This might be one of those cases. safer midwifery utahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02079353091993976425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-54497370761486995022012-08-14T21:56:03.451-07:002012-08-14T21:56:03.451-07:00The US system of so-called Animal Control has fail...The US system of so-called Animal Control has failed its peaceful citizens. <br /><br />It's much the same in Australia.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11520395725678272635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-15999978772203649532012-08-14T17:14:10.036-07:002012-08-14T17:14:10.036-07:00Hello John,
Agreed, that is what the DA is going ...Hello John,<br /><br />Agreed, that is what the DA is going to say. Unfortunately, the "policy" is to allow the dogs to go crazy until someone is killed. Animal Uncontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01353756918671252887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-71444155532344187122012-08-14T16:11:50.995-07:002012-08-14T16:11:50.995-07:00I would like to be in Mr.Banks corner but once he ...I would like to be in Mr.Banks corner but once he went back inside the threat to him was over, and you can best bet that is what the Judge and DA are going to say. <br /><br />My thought, keep some chocolate covered raisins around and throw a handful at him. If he eats them than you have just been a nice neighbor trying to make him friendly. <br /><br />There are more ways than weapons to resolve these situations.Johnbald1https://www.blogger.com/profile/16992509334820572212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-59718310635562420792012-08-14T15:31:36.135-07:002012-08-14T15:31:36.135-07:00Does Banks have a felony background? That would b...Does Banks have a felony background? That would be interesting to know as well.Animal Uncontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01353756918671252887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-39270080645491301782012-08-14T13:42:55.847-07:002012-08-14T13:42:55.847-07:00btw, nice jab at rev al sharpton. i can't stan...btw, nice jab at rev al sharpton. i can't stand that fucker.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-54010884453484578502012-08-14T13:41:54.769-07:002012-08-14T13:41:54.769-07:00first let me get this out of the way, it is also m...first let me get this out of the way, it is also my opinion based on the information provided that mr banks was JUSTIFIED.<br /><br />second, here is the <a href="http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=78338" rel="nofollow">louisiana law</a> regarding the use of deadly force and it appears your yard is not included in the castle doctrine.<br /><br />i saw this story when it broke and my first question, is he a felon? i suspect that he is and it changes everything. the shotgun could legally be owned by his lady friend and she most likely could have shot the dog and got away with it. <br /><br />also, a law abiding citizen before a jury is not likely to be convicted of killing a pit bull with a known history of roaming and menacing people. the shrill nutters on the internet do not represent the real world jury pool, although it seems like it sometimes. it is unfortunate that a law abiding citizen is subject to this bullshit in the first place.<br /><br />i blogged about this issue last month. i have links to the laws regarding the <a href="http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/2012/07/part-three-of-pit-bulls-and-morons-and.html" rel="nofollow">use of lethal force in all 50 states</a><br /><br />great blog post. this issue can not be addressed too much.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1547600777592832280.post-85649050710199239532012-08-14T13:40:18.219-07:002012-08-14T13:40:18.219-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.com